Does God send Babies to Hell to Suffer Eternally

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I’m sure with most of you it took less than a minute to affirm that God does not send Babies and young Children to Hell to suffer Eternal Torment and that they are under His Grace until they are of an age of accountability but if you decided He did than you don’t know our Abba Father’s Heart of Love and so the god your worshiping and praying to is counterfeit, at least by your own understanding, but please if you are being deceived by a Church or Cult that He does do this horrific deed, than you need to make a quick exit…. I did!

Yes about 4 years ago, I was told at a Bible Study lead by the Minister and his wife, that my 7 unborn Babies, 3 girls who were Stillborn and the others who died at nearly 5 months gestation, had all gone to Hell to suffer Eternally because I was not a Christian when I conceived them.

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the Children, neither shall the Children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin. 2Kings 14:6 – 2Chronicles 25:4 (KJV)

Thankfully I knew the Scriptures but what if I hadn’t, I would have been devastated to think my Babies were in Eternal Torment in Hell but what would be worse is how would I have felt about God, would I still have thought of Him as Loving, Compassionate, Merciful even in His justice, No defiantly Not! but you can be assured He is and if a Baby or young child dies for whatever reason including Abortion, they go to Heaven just as Jesus affirmed to His Disciples below and He did not say they have to be Baptized first if they were not of an age of understanding good from evil…..

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Matthew 19:13-14 Then were there brought unto Him little Children, that He should put His hands on them and pray and the Disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said; Suffer little Children, and forbid them not, to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.(KJV)

Since Thursday I have had righteous anger again, after being told by another Church Minister of a different Denomination, that if Babies aren’t Baptized they also go to Hell …. I’m going to Stop right here and show you by the confirmation of Scripture just how deceived they are but first below is what I saw on this Ministers Churches Website, when I asked him about it later, he affirmed that all Children regardless of age, if they die and are not Baptized go to Hell but no where in Scripture does it tell us a Baby has to be Baptized, there is only Believers Baptism confirmed.

Quote…..God offers His grace and forgiveness to all people, including Infants, in the Sacrament of Baptism.

God knows us before we are conceived as His own because He knows we will come to heart repentance which shows we believe in Jesus, He knows us in the womb that is why Abortion is so evil, it is Murder but it seems this Denomination believe if a Child is Stillborn or dies during gestation or any Child that is not Baptized, than they are not saved, they do not have God’s grace and forgiveness and so He sends them to Hell in the Lake of Fire to suffer Eternally.

Of course the Scripture below is in reference to all of us not just little Children or Babies but it does include them too and God warns about punishment for anyone hurting His little ones, so would He than send them to Hell to suffer Eternally in the Lake of Fire because they can’t understand.

Lamentations 3: 33 For God doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the Children of men.

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Baptism is not just having a bath without soap, we need to believe as the Scripture below confirms, can the Unborn, Stillborn and a Baby or a young Child believe in Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and confess their sin, could I have explained to my unborn Babies about Salvation so they would not go to Hell, could even a Christian have done so.

BAPTISIM 1Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is Baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (KJV)

Matthew 3:6 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.(KJV)

Mark 16:15-17 And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is Baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.(KJV)

As we see in other  Scriptures below, it was those in the Households that believed that were Baptized not Babies or small Children which were under Grace because they could not believe and so repent and be Baptized.

Acts 16:32-34 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.(KJV)

Acts 18:7-9 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.(KJV)

Acts 19:3-5 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.(KJV)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.(KJV)

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God made it very clear that little Children who do not know good from evil and that includes understanding today about Salvation in Christ Jesus, do not suffer as their Parents do who understand the difference and also what is needed to be Saved today but reject Jesus who saves them.

Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover your little ones and your Children, which you say will be the victims, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in there and unto them will I give it and they shall possess it.

King David as we know repented of all the evil he had done and as confirmed below, he knew were both he and his son would be and that they would be reunited again in Heaven, would he have been at peace and eaten if this was not so.

2 Samuel 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.(KJV)

 The Scriptures confirm that our faith Sanctifies our Children but it does not save them, they still have to repent and believe in Jesus themselves when their of an age of understanding or our unbelieving husbands and wife’s are saved too   (1Corinthians 7:10-17) and if this was True it would contradict other Scripture but our witness may bring them to Salvation and it is why we must not leave them.

Our Faith does not save anyone in our Family but it does Sanctify them setting them apart from those who are perishing so our Children are considered Holy, they are covered by His Grace. The early Christians were Baptized for the dead but this did not save those who had died, it was a sign that they were one with them already in The Spirit, with them having died as believers.

Love CaresSickness and death are now part of life on earth but it was not so before the fall of Mankind into sin, God does not plan to kill a Child in the womb for any reason especially not to punish the Parents or does He cause a Baby to be deformed or retarded to teach their Parents patience, yes that was what I was told by a Ministers wife in reference to her retarded Child but all good things come from God not Bad, He raises up He does not pull down and destroy.

Thank you for taking the time to read and ponder on my message.

Christian Love in Christ Jesus – Anne.

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61 Responses to Does God send Babies to Hell to Suffer Eternally

  1. As promised Caleb and I hope it answers you question why I know I share God’s Truth.

    I’m Dyslectic and can’t write fluently, even a personal letter can take me up to a week to write and sometimes longer, I sometimes write backwards, I can’t Spell and Punctuation and Grammar is confusing because they keep changing them, the early Greek Scriptures had none and all were written in Upper case and there were no small particles such as a, it, is etc no Books, Chapters or Verses, these were all added latter although some definition was in them which God mentions, this is so we are not deceived and Scripture confirms Scripture including The New Testament with The Old and The Old with New.

    But God is the Superglue even if I’m a cracked vessel and so I can write Post messages, Comments and answer e-mails when needed, even personal ones from my close friends and Scripture comes to mind as I write and some things that I have shared I didn’t even know myself when I wrote them but now they have been confirmed by Scripture many times and I have no doubt it is how Jesus is Teaching me which includes recognizing error, both with man’s Translation and deception by False or deceived Teachers.

    Yes I’m still learning but since I asked for God’s wisdom and empowering by The Holy Spirit I have much more understanding of things that I didn’t know and my confusion has gone, if I don’t understand anything now I ask Jesus and He explains, although not audibly or by visions but in my thoughts, which He than confirms with Scripture or Creation and they do not contradict.

    Why did God choose me to share His Truth Caleb, it was because I had all the right Qualifications as you can see confirmed in the Scripture below.

    1 Corinthians 1: 25 31 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

    Blessings – Anne.

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  2. Colossians 1:16-18 For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH : who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the Preeminence.

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  3. You still have not provided the Scriptures Caleb to confirm the Statements of your Church Denomination below.

    I also can’t believe Caleb that you said ….Jesus didn’t say go pick up a bible and solve the issue from scripture but said “tell it to the Church”.

    Please read the Scripture below ……

    ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the Man of God may be Perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (KJV)

    The Scriptures as confirmed by Jesus are our final Authority because they are from God and He is the final Authority, when the Scriptures are understood by the empowering of The Holy Spirit (1Corinthians 2:9-16) as we are lead into all Truth and understanding of them by Jesus our only Teacher, having asked for His Wisdom.

    We ALSO remember Caleb that everything Jesus said that we read in the Scriptures is also confirmed either in the Old or New Testament but the only way we can understand God’s Truth is through The Holy Spirit not the Carnal flesh. (1Corinthians 2:9-16.)

    I have already confirmed with Scripture why Peter is not the Rock, Jesus is and is also the Head of The Church (see below) .You need to read Isaiah 22 Caleb with understanding, than you will know who Eliakim is referring to and it’s not Peter.

    Colossians 1:16-18 For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH : who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the Preeminence.

    Just because you reject the Truth I share Caleb does not mean I’m in error and your right and this is the same with any other Truths that you reject without Scriptural confirmation

    The Scripture you quoted to support that we Pray to Mary and the Saints which is giving her and them the same Authority and position as Jesus, is not about either, please read it again.

    As Christians indwelt by Jesus and empowered with The Holy Spirit, we all are anointed to bind and loose on earth as you also shared with the Scriptures. The Church meaning those in Authority in the Body of Christ, will support what is confirmed in Scripture not what is added to them by fleshy man regardless of who he is.

    I repeat once again Caleb, anyone who does not have assurance of God’s heart of Love and would even consider the idea or preach it in anyway that Babies and little Children have to be Baptized to have God’s Mercy and Grace and to go to Heaven which is not in Scripture, are very deceived and you also agreed in your first comment that they were but it seems you were deceived too by reading your Churches Dogma.

    The Papacy

    Worship/ adoration of Mary

    The Immaculate Conception of Mary

    The perpetual virginity of Mary

    That Mary never sinned

    The assumption of Mary or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix),

    Petitioning Saints or Mary in Heaven by prayer,

    The Ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments…

    Infant Baptism

    Babies and young Children go to Hell

    Purgatory

    Indulgences

    The equal authority of Church Tradition and Scripture.

    Blessings – Anne.

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    • Dear Anne,

      I beg of you not to judge my heart. I do not reject truth but embrace it everywhere I see it. I see it in the truths boldly proclaimed by the Catholic Church through the gospels and her witness that has withstood persecutions, defamations, heresies and even the weakness of its own members for 2,000 years. I see it in the gospel how beautifully the Old Testament reveals the New Testament and how the New Testament fulfills the Old Testament. I see it in the continuity of doctrine and in the preaching of the early Christian church that defended the divinity of Christ against Arian heretics who used the bible to defend and promote their heretical views. Abandoning the teachings and traditions passed on by the apostle in favor of a novel interpretation of biblical passages.

      I have given to you solid biblical evidence in previous posts for various challenges that you have presented pertaining orthodox Catholic doctrines only to go in circles between your interpretation of the bible and what the bible actually says.

      However, you still haven’t answered why is it that all the witnesses of the early Christian churches disagrees with your interpretation of the bible?

      Neither have you answered me, how do you know that the books in the bible are inspired word of God if it wasn’t for the witness of the early Christian Church?

      God Bless,

      Caleb

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      • I do not judge your heart Caleb only God can do this, I see by your words and actions that you are a caring man but are trusting in man’s understanding not God’s wisdom which will always be confirmed in Scripture, His words have Power to uplift and convict when understood by the empowering of The Holy Spirit, as Jesus our only Teacher leads us into all wisdom which will be confirmed in Scripture as is all His Truth. He is sharper than a two edged sword and it The Truth that cuts away all Satan’s lies and deception and it’s His words that give us Faith to believe that He alone as the Godhead, is God of the Impossible not a man.

        Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (rhematos Christou)”

        Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word (rhema) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

        Having asked for God’s wisdom and empowering with realizing I was not Born with them I do not really care if your Church denomination agrees with me or not or if you do either, as I shared before Caleb if you doubt I have God’s wisdom you are saying you can’t have it either or anyone else can and that God does not keep His promises or what He tells us in Scripture is not True.

        Please read God’s Truth in the Scripture below Caleb, although I agree with them and have highlighted – James 1:5-6 giving further understanding that is also confirmed in Scripture, they are not what I am telling you but Him so Please respond to God not me as I’m now closing this discussion.

        Worldly or fleshy wisdom
        1 Corinthians 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

        1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

        2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and Godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

        1 Timothy 6:20 -21 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of Science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

        Godly Wisdom
        Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

        James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

        Proverbs 2:5-7 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

        Proverbs 2:9-11 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path. When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

        Proverbs 3:13 . Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

        Proverbs 4:5-6 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: Love her, and she shall keep thee.

        Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!

        Proverbs 19:8 He that getteth wisdom Loveth his own soul: he that keepeth understanding shall find good.

        Ecclesiastes 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.

        Isaiah 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is His treasure.

        Ephesians 1:17-18 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the Saints.

        Colossians 4:4-6 That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak. Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

        Psalm 37:29-31 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

        Psalm 111:9-10 He sent redemption unto His people: He hath commanded His covenant for ever: holy and reverend is His name. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do His commandments: His praise endureth for ever.

        Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

        Proverbs 15:32-33 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

        Proverbs 21:29-31 A wicked man hardeneth his face: but as for the upright, he directeth his way. There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD. The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD.

        Job 28:20-28 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding? Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out. And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

        Psalm 90:11-13 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

        Psalm 51:5-7Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

        James 3:16-18
        For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work… Do we consider our fleshy wisdom to be True or what God tells us? if we reject God’s Truth it will lead to confusion and strife.

        But the wisdom that is from above is first pure ….God’s wisdom is not polluted with fleshy understanding.

        Then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated …God’s wisdom when accepted brings Peace, it is gentle to the soul, and easy to obtain there are no fleshy restraints.
        Full of mercy and good fruits …God’s wisdom is Compassionate and Loving and is shown in actions and words reflecting the Fruit of the Spirit.

        Without partiality, and without hypocrisy… God’s wisdom stands up for The Truth regardless of personal cost and does not show favouritism or does it say one thing and do another.

        And the fruit of righteousness is sown in Peace of them that make Peace. God’s wisdom is righteous in all it proclaims which brings Peace to them who also walk in God’s wisdom and Truth.

        Christian Love Always Caleb, from someone who cares enough to correct in Love through the confirmation of Scripture – Anne.

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    • Dear Anne,

      I appreciate the scriptures you shared with me. They are beautiful and they do contain truth. However you still continue to evade the main point of our discussion, which is:

      What happens when two people claim that they have received God’s wisdom but disagree with their interpretation of the Bible? How Christians ought to solve such differences?

      As I shared with you Jesus give us the answer in Mathew 18:15-18: we are supposed to “tell it to the Church”. How do you know which Church you should go to? Christ didn’t found multiple churches with various doctrines but only One Church with one Faith and one Baptism. The only Church that makes and substantiated the historical claim that it is the Church that Christ founded is the Catholic Church.

      God Bless

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      • Caleb, the Roman Catholic Church was not the first Catholic Church which means Universal and which God tells us He will bring all together from every Denomination World wide at the Rapture or First Sickle as it is called in Scripture.

        God’s Church is of the heart and always was and always will be, it’s not anyone Denomination, yes Paul warned about division and listening to Man instead of Jesus Christ but that was before your Church was established by Constantine and it is even recorded in Secular History that he did . When we go to The Church we remember Christ is the head of it not the Pope now or Peter before he was Martyred, the Elders of a Church are under Christ’s Authority and answer to Him.

        I cannot answer Caleb about anyone else who claims to have asked for God’s wisdom and empowering that I do not know personally but some just keep asking and never believe they have received.

        Those I do know who have asked like I have and believe they have received, agree with me on the interpretation of the Scriptures in what we have learned from Jesus, without the Scripture we have no foundation, unless you can share the Scriptures Caleb for what your Church Denomination Teachers then you and them have no real foundation.

        I will share with you Caleb in the comment at the top of this Post under the Song Jesus Loves all the Children, my own personal account of learning God’s Truth and having no doubts that what Jesus shares with me is correct.

        Since you did not respect my wishes Caleb that this discussion was closed I will moderate your comments in future and will not respond again in regard to your constant misunderstanding of Scripture and also with No Scripture to support what your Church propagates.

        Blessings – Anne.

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        • Dear Anne,

          Pardon for posting a response to your last comments. I misunderstood what you meant otherwise I wouldn’t responded but now I feel compel to apologize.

          I think I clearly stated my case and challenged you with a desire that you explore deeply the witness of history and discovered what many other protestant have discovered before you, as John Henry Newman said: “to be deep into history is to cease to be protestant”.

          God bless you and thank you for allowing me to partake in our discussion.

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          • When you apologize Caleb for doing something, you don’t than continue doing it, when you do, it shows you were not sincere when you apologized.

            But just so you understand your error, I know enough about the History of both the First Catholic Church which means Universal and the Roman Catholic Church and they are not the same.

            Many have left your Church Denomination Caleb and sadly a lot have joined Cults because they do not know the Scriptures, they only listen to what your Church propagates and so are unprepared for False teachers who know how to show by Scripture where your Church is in error and yes it is very much so and then they teach them their False Doctrine too. I know because I was involved in a Ministry for Ex – Cult Members, unfortunately they were very heavily indoctrinated and it takes many years before they understand fully God’s Truth as confirmed in Scripture.

            If you want to continue discussing your views Caleb about your Church, please provide the Scripture that tells us we have to pay to have our sins forgiven which is saying Jesus did not pay the cost to redeem us fully.

            Blessings – Anne.

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            • Well if you don’t even gracefully accept my apology but accused me of being insincere then there is no point of even continuing any discussion. I thought you knew me better than that Anne. I am very sadden to read such response by you.

              God Bless,

              Caleb

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              • Your actions showed you were insincere Caleb, you apologized but than continued your claims about your Church Denomination when I had already said unless you can confirm with Scripture what they propagate the discussion is closed.

                If you want to continue the discussion Caleb, please provide the Scriptures first, especially the one that says we have to pay to have our sins forgiven.

                Blessings – Anne.

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                • I still offer my apologies even if you don’t accept them or don’t think much of them. They were from the heart and sincere. That’s all I can tell you…

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                  • If they were from the heart and sincere Caleb your actions would have showed it but they didn’t, they showed no respect for what I asked you to do if you wanted to continue the discussion.

                    Once again Caleb if you want to continue the discussion , first provide the Scriptures that confirms what your Church Denomination propagates, especially the one that says we have to pay to have our sins forgiven.

                    Blessings – Anne.

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  4. All the Apostles Caleb and most of Jesus followers except the Apostle John were Martyred in the early Catholic Church, meaning Universal not Roman Catholic, it was your Denomination that had Constantin’s protection and Pagan influence.

    I repeat Caleb, anyone who does not have assurance of God’s heart of Love and would even consider the idea or preach it in anyway that Babies and little Children have to be Baptized to have God’s Mercy and Grace and to go to Heaven which is not in Scripture, are very deceived and you also agreed in your first comment that they were but it seems you were deceived too by reading your Churches Dogma.

    Tell me Caleb what Church Leaders had Jesus put to death?

    Blessings – Anne.

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    • Dear Anne,

      No serious historian would agree with your assertion about Constantine and the Catholic Church. These are old tired and disproven allegations that have no historical grounds. If so please show me the historical evidence that the early apostolic church was any different from the church that survived the Diocletian persecution in the 300’s or any different from the Catholic Church.

      If you theory is correct then the Church that Christ founded was already in apostasy by the time the disciples of the apostles were preaching the gospel. These are the same people that went singing hymns praising Jesus to their death in the Colosseum. I trust in Jesus because he is faithful to his promise that he would be with us until the end of age and thereby such apostasy is not only against scripture but also distrusting of Christ’s promises.

      The Catholic Church is not a denomination. That is is modern day invention that emerged as the result of the reformation. Through the history of Christianity until the schism between the East and the West there was only one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. A universal church that is a Catholic church as St. Ignatius of Antioch first referred in his letters.

      The Roman Catholic rite is but one of the many rites of the Catholic Church that also includes many Eastern rite such as the Maronite Rite, Syrian Rite, Syro-Malankara Rite, Chaldean or East, Syrian tradition, Chaldean Rite and Syro-Malabar Rite. They are all Catholic because they are in communion with the bishop of Rome. As a point of interest to you some of their liturgies (Mass) are as old as Christianity itself! Some of these Christians are been currently persecute and martyred by ISIS.

      Once again you continue to misrepresent my position on the hope that is within us that God will save unbaptized babies and then proceed to make a straw man argument pertaining it. Lets be clear I never change my position. To make a statement based on the hope that is in my heart that I know those babies are in heaven is not to change my position. I have moral assurance which allows me to make such a statement.

      God bless,

      Caleb

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  5. Dear Anne,

    Our discussion of biblical passages hinges on our respective interpretations of those passages. You invoked a tradition that has no historical grounding in Church history. That is no Christian before the Anabaptist affirmed that infant baptism was invalid. Moreover not all protestant churches believe in such doctrine. Anglicans, Methodist and Lutheran amongst others do not hold to such tradition. The Lutheran Church also appeals to the same biblical passages that we have been discussing and to the witness of the early Christian church in their defense of Infant Baptism:

    http://www.lcms.org/faqs/doctrine#history

    So even other churches apart from the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches affirmed the scriptural basis for Infant baptism. I bring these examples to highlight the main point in our discussion. That is that without the apostolic teachings that have been guarded through generation and generations of Christians people can misunderstand biblical passages and make them fit their particular tradition. That is why I am constantly pointing at the witness of the early Christians.

    The martyrs that I referred in my comments are these early Christians. Whose witness testifies to the catholicity of Christian doctrine in the first and second centuries. Their witness was written while the word of the apostles was still ringing in their ears.

    Yet you discard and ignore their witness! Appealing that if they don’t interpreted the bible in accordance to your interpretation is simply because, as you wrote:

    “But mostly I find that those who teach error are Trusting in their own understanding, logic and wisdom instead of asking for God’s, or if they have asked they don’t believe they have received and keep asking instead of Thanking Him or they are deceived by False Teachers or Wolves and so deceive others”.

    According to your comments St. Ignatius of Antioch who knew the Apostle John and was killed in the Coliseum in the year 110 AC either didn’t believe the prompting of the Holy Spirit or was a deceiver!!!

    Oh dear Anne please read the witness of this great man…hear him in his own words, the immense love that he had for Christ, for his Church and his fellow Christians! He is a man so filled with the Holy Spirit that he willingly went to his martyrdom for Christ! A lion devoured him. I have read most of his letter and let me tell you I only wish I could be but a minuscule shadow of what this man was because then I could change the world with God’s graces.

    I pray for guidance every day that I may know him, that I may have a heart to seek him and that I may have the wisdom to find him. Yet I tried to fit your interpretation with what the bible says and it does not matches up. The scriptural context in Mathew 16:13-19is abundantly clear: Christ founded his Church on Peter not on Peter profession of faith. Its biblical context of what Jesus did is even more clear when you read Isaiah 22:19-24…

    So who should I trust the movement of my heart that points towards Christ and his Church or a man made tradition that denies the salvific effects of baptism? I trust the Church, which as St. Paul wrote is the pillar and foundation of truth:

    “…know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth”.

    1 Timothy 3:15

    I am sorry if I caused confusion in regards to the hope that as Christians we have that unbaptized babies are saved by the grace of God but I never changed my believe. The church has always trusted them to the mercy of God, which is love itself! So our hope on this issue is as our assurance in God’s love for us.

    I know that we are engaging in a healthy dialogue full of Christian love but it is also good to remind ourselves that there is far more than united us as Christians than actually divided us. So please keep praying for me and especially for Christians around the world who are been persecuted because of the Cross and for those who yet do not know Christ.

    God bless,

    Caleb

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    • Dear Caleb as I seek Jesus our Teacher through the empowering of The Holy Spirit, He leads me in what I share, I have not read articles about those who have written about your Church History till today, what I share with you on your Blog and on mine is what I’m lead to write by The Lord and even if you don’t believe me I know God does not lie and I have asked and received His wisdom and I’m being lead by Jesus into all Truth and this gift is not just for me, it’s for all believers.

      The Scriptures are God’s inspired words and they are very detailed in all His guidelines of what we are to do past and present, such as the Tabernacle, the10 Commandments etc and also in what He asks us to do today under The New Covenant in Christ Jesus, like Holy Communion, heart repentance with Believers Baptism, forgiveness, Faithfulness, caring for those in need, putting our flesh to death, aiming to be perfected in Love, asking for His wisdom etc everything that He wants us to do is recorded and confirmed in Scripture, including what the Apostle Paul shared and the other Disciples.

      Today I followed your example Caleb and found the message below on the Internet, perhaps you would like to respond to it by confirming with Scripture why he is in error in what he has shared and if you can’t confirm with Scripture than your Church is the one in error, take as long as you need.

      From the Internet…..

      The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately AD 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the Apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His Apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning Saints in Heaven for their prayers, Apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

      Blessings – Anne.

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      • Dear Anne,

        I know that you have a heart that seeks after God and I have no doubt that you asks for his guidance and received it. However we most make a distinction between the guidance that Christ promised to His Church and your private interpretation of the bible because it seems to me that you take your interpretation of the bible as infallible and anyone who disagrees with you are either wrong or even worst are deceivers. This is a bold statement to make and one that does not hold under scrutiny. It seems that your metric for biblical interpretation is your own private judgement above the apostolic teachings that have been handed down from the time of the early Christians.

        It also seems that you are not serious in considering the witness of history because it directly contradict most of your biblical interpretations. The sources about early Christianity hat I referred in my posts is not the “internet”, but the actual writings of these apostolic fathers of the Church, which you continue to ignore. It is a loud and vibrant witness that proclaims the catholicity of the early Church, one that I hope you look for yourself unfiltered by commentary.

        The argument that the author of the excerpt that you quoted from the “internet” is circular and therefor lacking substance. It basically says:

        The Catholic Church disagrees with his interpretation of the bible therefore the Catholic Church cannot be the Church that Christ founded.

        That is a circular argument. But lets consider it to its full extent. If the Catholic Church is not the Church that Christ founded because of its teachings then the early Christian Church also is not the church that Christ founded because their teachings are very much Catholic teachings, the Holy Eucharist, the authority of the Bishop, the intersection of the saints in heaven and so on…therefore you are forced to concluded under such circular argument that true Christianity died with the death of the Last Apostle only to comeback roughly around the 1800’s when you finally see man made traditions that mostly agree with his biblical interpretation. He statement is just an opinion.

        God Bless,

        Caleb

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        • Once again Caleb you have given no Scriptural confirmation of what you claim, but I have and so it’s not my interpretation, it’s confirmed by Scripture we are to seek Jesus to lead us into all Truth not a man regardless of his title or position.

          Until you can confirm with Scripture Caleb the teachings of your Church Denomination than they have no relevance to God’s guidelines for His Church.

          Show me where it confirms in Scripture Caleb that we have to pay to have our sins forgiven or that Mary remained a virgin till she died, just because someone said these things does not make it so, God tells us not to add or take away from His written word.

          Blessings -Anne.

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          • Dear Anne,

            I have gone back and forth with scriptures with you many times. Review all our dialogues and you will see that every single doctrine that I have defended has a scriptural basis that I have shared with you.

            The issue is that every single time you come back with a different interpretation of the very same scriptures.

            The questions boils down to whom has the authority to interpret scriptures? You trust in your own judgement and I trust in the guidance of the Holy Spirit that brought me closer to the Church that Christ founded.

            Where we got the bible if it wasn’t from the Catholic Church. You also trust in the witness of the early Church and the authority of the Catholic Church because it was under her bosom that we got the bible.

            As St. Augustine, a bishop of the third century said:

            “I would not believe the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not compel me.”

            So yes, it is a matter between your interpretation and private opinion against what the bible actually says, which is in union with the teachings that have been pass down since apostolic times.

            God Bless,

            Caleb

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            • Dear Caleb you have never confirmed with Scripture the Doctrines below that your Church Denomination teaches. The Scripture you tried to use to confirm we are to pray to Mary and the Saints is out of context, Mary was also never in a position of Authority in the early Church such as an Elder etc, if she was it would contradict Scripture. Peter was also not The Rock that the Church of God was built on Jesus Christ was.

              The Scriptures are God’s inspired words of Authority which we are to obey, we do not add to them or take away from them, we also have one Mediator Jesus Christ, we are not to pray to anyone else who is living or who has died. These are God’s guidelines not mine even though I agree with them and also all that God tells us in Scripture but not what man has added to them that can’t be confirmed by them, regardless of who they are.

              Please provide Caleb Scripture to confirm the following below, if you can’t please don’t continue to comment on your Church Denomination, as it means that they institute and authorize what has no Scriptural foundation, this than means they do not have God’s anointing, agreement or approval or does He allow them in His Church.

              The Papacy

              Worship/ adoration of Mary

              The Immaculate Conception of Mary

              The perpetual virginity of Mary

              That Mary never sinned

              The assumption of Mary or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix),

              Petitioning Saints or Mary in Heaven by prayer,

              The Ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments…

              Infant Baptism

              Babies and young Children go to Hell

              Purgatory

              Indulgences

              The equal authority of Church Tradition and Scripture.

              Blessings – Anne.

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      • Dear Anne,

        We are going in circles. I shared with you scriptures that confirms that Christ founded his Church on Peter and gave her (the Church) authority to bind and to loose but you viewed the same scriptures with a man made tradition that not only misrepresent them but also ignore how the Apostles understood them (Acts of the Apostles). The context of Mathew 16:13-19, which is Isaiah 22:19-24 further, demonstrates that Christ was founding an office on Peter that will guide his Church through the ages.

        Again and again your interpretation of the same scriptures is at odd with the early Christian understanding of the same scriptures. These are the very same Christians who heard the Gospel from the Apostles and who were martyred. Yet you remained silent to their witness and retort with your interpretation of these biblical passage based on a man made tradition that has no historical witness. What say you?

        Let me try a different question that might help you put things in their proper context: How are we to solve our differences when we read scripture?

        Jesus gave us a model in Mathew 18:15-18:

        “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that the mouth of two or three witnesses may confirm every fact. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

        Mathew 18:15-18

        It is the Church that has the ultimate authority. Jesus didn’t say go pick up a bible and solve the issue from scripture but said “tell it to the Church”. The question is which Church?

        Is it the Episcopalian Church, that is embracing homosexual unions, is it the Unitarian Church, that denies the Divinity of Christ, is it the Lutheran Church, that baptizes babies, is it the Baptist Church, that denies the salvific effects of baptism, is it the non-denominational church down the street that professes that unbaptized babies are going to hell or is it the Church that Christ founded?

        “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

        Mathew 18:18

        The witness of the history and that of all the apostolic fathers and martyrs of the early Christian Church points toward the Catholic Church. This is why we know that the books that are in the bible are the inspired word of God. This is why the name of Jesus is boldly proclaimed all over the world. This is why the Catholic Church has been a witness of charity, mercy and love to all nations.

        God Bless,

        Caleb

        P.S. Two additional points:

        Please do not misrepresent my positions nor the positions of the Catholic Church. First, I never stated that Mary was in a position of Authority in the Early Church. Second the Catholic Church does not Worship Mary nor has it ever taught, that “babies and young Children go to Hell”. If you have any questions about Catholic doctrine please read the catechism before repeating all tired canards about what the Catholic Church really teaches.

        I hope that you can share with me your opinion on the early Christian Church and their witness and why your tradition does not match up with early Christian teachings.

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  6. So it seems Caleb you did not mean what you said in your first comment which was….

    Sometimes people instead of bringing the joy of the gospel they places stumbling blocks for other people to meet Christ’s love and mercy. How many people are alienated from Christ because of such preaching? It is sad to hear such a story but even worse is to think that these people genuinely believe what they preach!

    Where does it tell us Caleb about Limbo in Scripture, have the Roman Catholic Church also added this to God’s inspired words? and don’t they know that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost or understand about His Divinity and that He is and always was One with The Father and The Holy Ghost in The Godhead or Trinity as They are called today ? or don’t they know that Jesus is The Living Word ? ( please read the Scriptures below)

    Revelation 19:12-17 His Name is called The Word of God. (KJV)

    1 John 5: 7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Ghost: and these Three are One.(KJV)

    John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the Light of men. And the Light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.(KJV)

    Jesus’ Baptism was to show His identification with The Godhead, He never sinned, He did not need to repent and of course He always believed, it was not to receive The Holy Ghost, He was always part of The Godhead, (see below) and that did not change when He came to earth, yes He humbled Himself and took the role of a servant but He never was one in His being like we are. On the cross because of our sin He became fully man and so was separated from God and than died physically but He rose, death could not keep Him down and nor can it do this to us when He is within us, being Born Again means we have God’s seed not Adams, the Old has gone the New has come 1John 3:9 (KJV) Jesus did not sin and nor do we in Him.

    1 John 5: 7 For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One.(KJV)

    Matthew 1:22-23 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the Prophet, saying, Behold, a Virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His Name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.(KJV)

    Colossians 1:14 -17 In who we have redemption through His blood the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. (John 1:1-3 ) (KJV)

    Galatians 2: 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who Loved me, and gave Himself for me.(KJV)

    Ephesians 3:16-18 That he would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in Love, May be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;(KJV)

    2 Corinthians 13:4-6 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.(KJV)

    Colossians 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him, which is the Head of all principality and Power:(KJV)

    May God’s Light shine in the darkness – Christian Love Always – Anne.

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    • Dear Anne,

      I am at a lost. I honestly don’t know how to respond to your comment. I did mean what I wrote but it seems that you have a wrong understanding of Catholic teaching. One of the great modern evangelists Archbishop Fulton J Sheen once said:

      “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be .”

      Archbishop Fulton J Sheen

      I share with you what the Catholic Church teaches about Baptism which is in continuity with an un-interrupted 2,000 years of biblical teachings that are protected and guided by the Holy Spirt as Jesus promised:

      “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

      Matthew 16:18

      You keep ignoring the witness of martyrs who gave their life for the faith. The witness of those who boldly proclaimed the word of God to all Nations and gave their life for the Cross. That is the witness of the early church. So sad that many Christian ignore such witness because without them and the Holy Spirit guided them we will have not know Jesus.

      Once again to be clear here is what the Catholic Church teaches about babies that were not baptize:

      “Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: ‘Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,’ allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism”

      Paragraph 1261

      Concerning “limbo” I said that it was a theological speculation that never was official teaching of the Catholic Church.

      God Bless you!

      Caleb

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      • I don’t hate any Denomination Caleb and especially those who are members of them, even Cult members but I do hate all evil as God does and false teaching too. But mostly I find that those who teach error are Trusting in their own understanding, logic and wisdom instead of asking for God’s, or if they have asked they don’t believe they have received and keep asking instead of Thanking Him or they are deceived by False Teachers or Wolves and so deceive others.

        James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

        Luke 11:13 how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

        As for Martyrs, there are many who have given up everything to follow Jesus not just those who belong to your Church Caleb and if you read some of my Post Messages you will see I have shared about their Lives and sacrifices for The Lord including those from your own Denomination.

        Most understand Peter’s name to mean stone, names that have definitions in Scripture refer to their Character or as we see with Emanuel which means God with us, which refers to Jesus’ Divinity and so does Rock as confirmed by the Scripture below.

        Deuteronomy 32:3-5 Because I will publish the Name of the LORD, ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of Truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.

        Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and Rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed.

        1 Corinthians 10:3-5 And did all eat the same Spiritual meat; And did all drink the same Spiritual drink: for they drank of that Spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

        Jesus was saying to Peter that God’s Church would be built on what Peter had said about Him, not on Peter himself, Jesus is the Rock and He is The Head of God’s Church on earth, not a man or woman and all believers are part of the Body of Christ and so was Peter, Paul etc and so is the Pope, yes we are all under Jesus’ Authority and He leads us into all Truth with us having asked for God’s wisdom and the Holy Spirit’s empowering.

        Peter because of his Carnal flesh rebuked Jesus and also denied Him 3 times even after being Baptized but after Pentecost like the other Disciples and later Paul and other Believers, he received The Holy Spirit whom they had all been praying for in the Upper room and than in Power they went out into the whole known World and preached the Gospel as Jesus had told them to do.

        It is very sad Caleb that your Church Leaders do not have assurance and only hope that God does not send Children to suffer eternally in Hell but perhaps it’s just a few who lack assurance that He is Love and can do no evil, which causing His little ones to suffer eternally because they don’t understand would be. You seemed to be against such thinking and teaching in your first comment Caleb but it seems now you have changed your mind why?

        Christian Love from both of us – Anne.

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  7. Kristi Ann says:

    Jesus Christ said “Suffer the little Children and let come unto ME and I will give them rest”!!

    Love Always and Shalom,

    Kristi Ann

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    • Hi Kristi Ann, good to hear from you again, it’s so easy to loose track of people when your Blogging, Thank you for visiting and sharing your focus.

      Very True as you shared, Jesus welcomed Children with open arms as He welcomes us too and when we are weary He tells us to come to Him and yes we than rest in Him.

      Christian Love – Anne.

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  8. dwwork says:

    A good friend of ours was told something similar when her children were too young to make a choice to follow Jesus. Fortunately we were able to assure her that a loving God would never consign a child too young to make decisions to hell. While there is not a specific verse that says this the whole of God’s Word points to the fact that God is love and would never consign those who are unable to accept Jesus either through young age or other mental issues to hell. These ministers do a great disservice to God when they tell parents such things. Anne, I grieve for your loss of those babies but i rejoice in knowing that in time you will be reunited with them. Blessings, David

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    • So True David, God is Love even in His justice and it was good you were able to reassure this woman about this Truth.

      But I’m sure David if you read the Scriptures again that I shared in my message you will see clearly that God did confirm that Babies and young Children who do not know good from evil are not punished they are under His Grace and if they die they go to Heaven, we see this Truth especially with the Israelites and the Promised land, God does not change His mind including about Children and this is also shown with King Davids response when his son died.

      Thanks for sharing, Christian Love – Anne.

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  9. Ron says:

    Thankfully Anne the God I serve is a GOD of Love who doesn’t consign infants and children under the age of understanding to eternal hell . From that point of understanding we all of us have a choice to make regarding our lives now and afterlife .Choosing to accept the loving offer of Gods perfect Son Jesus, we are assured of a full life now and after .

    Blessings
    Ron

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    • So True Love and we will show by our words and actions that we have repented and accepted God’s free gift of Salvation in Jesus, yes some will say Lord, Lord but will be sent away because of their disobedience as shown in Matthew and other Scriptures.

      Christian Love Always – Anne.

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  10. Debbie M. says:

    Annie, Your last paragraph reminded me of an important truth that I learned from a friend (we were in the same Bible study) from over 16 years ago. She made the comment, “God does not make mistakes.” She said this despite the fact that she shook uncontrollably and was taking care of a mentally challenged sister.

    It is one thing to believe God’s Word and another to live it out. She lived it out, just like you are doing in regards to rebuking the false teaching about your babies. I praise God that we can confidently stand on His Word!

    Hugs to you Annie!
    P.S. I sent you an e-mail. I hope you got it despite the technical glitches you mentioned.

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    • Thanks Debbie and yes indeed we can confidently stand on God’s Truth in Scripture and as we can see below, God does not afflict us and is always with us through our hardship but sadly some would say in regards to your friend who shakes and who has a mentally challenged Sister that God planed it for them and than afflicted them, how sad that thinking is too,

      Lamentations 3: 33 For God doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the Children of men.

      We are all Children of Mankind regardless of our age, some forget that and think it is only in reference to little Children but they fail to understand a lot of Scripture especially the Denominations that practice Baby Baptism and this is because they have not asked for God’s wisdom and empowering but trust in their own, logic and reasoning and keep their own man made rules as well as Ordinances and Traditions that have been passed on in ignorance for years instead of Gods, which are always based on His Love and Truth and He warns us about this danger in the Bible.

      Isaiah 43:1-3 – Do not be afraid, for I have ransomed you. I have called you by name; you are mine. When you go through deep waters and great trouble, I will be with you. When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown! When you walk through the fire of oppression, you will not be burned up; the flames will not consume you. For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour.”

      Jeremiah 29 :11-12 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

      I received your e-mail Debbie, Thank you and welcome back, I think it would help if you contacted WordPress and tell them what has been happening, I will visit you later.

      Blessings – Anne

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      • Debbie M. says:

        My friend’s faith helped me to view trials and circumstances from an eternal perspective. So many good verses and “theme verses” as you share these often, pointing us to God’s truth!

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        • Yes it is True Debbie God works everything for good in our lives but He does not cause our suffering and hardship as some claim, to even say that Believers do evil to bring good out of it, the Scriptures tell us is Slander how more so to say it about God.

          But it is wonderful that your friend still gives thanks as she suffers not of course for what illness she is suffering from but because she has assurance God is with her and will bring good out of it and when she suffers for standing up for Him, how great her reward will be.

          Our closest friends may hate us one day because of our Testimony that glorifies God but He does now and always will delight in us.

          Blessings – Anne.

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  11. Dear Anne,

    It is a heart wrenching story. I am so sorry to hear about your babies but I know that now they are in heaven because for Christ nothing is impossible!

    Sometimes people instead of bringing the joy of the gospel they places stumbling blocks for other people to meet Christ’s love and mercy. How many people are alienated from Christ because of such preaching? It is sad to hear such a story but even worse is to think that these people genuinely believe what they preach!

    God bless,

    Caleb

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    • Thank you for your heartfelt Compassion Caleb and yes some Teachers are very deceived and that is why they promote hurt and disillusionment and it is because instead of asking for God’s wisdom and empowering by The Holy Spirit which is the Principle thing in understanding His Truth, they trust in fleshy man’s understanding, logic and reasoning and keep their own man made rules as well as Ordinances and Traditions that have been passed on in ignorance for years instead of Gods, which are always based on His Love and Truth and He warns us about this danger in the Bible.

      Christian Love Always – Anne.

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    • Hi again Caleb, I would be interested in knowing what your Church thinks about Baby Baptism, does it believe it saves them and if so where is this confirmed in Scripture?

      Blessings – Anne.

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      • Dear Anne,

        This is a great question. Yes, the Catholic Church holds that Baptism is more than just a symbol that it actually imbued a new life in the soul of the Christian:

        “Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission…”

        Catechism of the Catholic Church
        Paragraph 1212

        This is accordance to scriptures when Jesus says:

        Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

        John 3:5

        St. Peter is very clear about the power of baptism when he says baptism now saves you:

        Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you– not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience– through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

        1 Peter 3:21

        Infant Baptism and scriptures

        Infant Baptism is not explicitly mentioned in the New Testament but neither is the word trinity, yet scriptures clearly reveal that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. In the same way through a thoughtful proving of scriptures you can discern that Infant Baptism is not only valid but also a duty for Christians parents.

        I will like to start by thinking of what Jesus said to the disciples:

        Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciple saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

        Luke 18:15-17

        I wanted to start here because this passage alone can give us so much to think about. Right of the starts Luke clarifies that “they were bringing even infants” and that “when the disciple saw it, they rebuked them.” Jesus quickly responded that we are not to hinder infants or children from approaching Jesus. His love for us is unconditional and Jesus does not want to impose or create barriers for anyone to approach him. There is no precondition for children, even though as infants may not fully understand Jesus message or even be able to accept him as hi personal Lord and Savior he still wants to receive them and we are not to impede it!

        Nowhere in scripture do we see a prohibition against infant baptism on the contrary it is implicitly reveal not only in the disciples understanding of baptism but also in their practices.

        Understanding of Baptism as the new circumcision

        St. Paul viewed baptism as the new circumcision (Colossians 2:11-13) and because it was mainly infants who were circumcised at the age of eight days old (Genesis 17:12 and Luke 2:21) it is reasonable to think that baptism much be able to be administered to infants.

        …and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

        Colossians 2:11-13

        For the Jewish people circumcision was not only a sign of the covenant with God but necessary (Genesis 17:14) to enter into that covenant relationship with God. For the Jews this covenant relationship included babies, infants and children. That is why the old Law of Moses prescribed that they shall be circumcised at the age of eight days old (Genesis 17:12). If baptism replaces circumcision as St. Paul says then it follows that baptism is far greater and inclusive than circumcision. Thus, it follows that it will not make any sense for the Jewish audience that St. Paul was talking about to exclude babies from baptism. It also suggests that if babies were to be excluded from baptism the disciples should have made that clear to the Jews yet not such explicit prohibition is mentioned in the bible.

        Practices of the disciples

        On the other hand we don’t explicitly see Infant Baptism in scriptures. However we can see many implicit instances were infants and children were presumably baptized. For example on the Day of Pentecost St. Peter was preaching to a Jewish audience and said:

        “Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children.”

        Acts 2:38–39

        Another example is that every time the head of a household converted and was baptized the entire household was also baptized with him or her:

        A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay.”

        Acts 16:14-15

        “What must I do to be saved?” “And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house . . . and he was baptized at once, with all his family.”

        Acts 16:30-33

        “I did baptize also the household of Stephanas”

        Corinthians 1:16

        According to the Jewish understanding of the covenant relationship and family the whole household would have included everyone from infants to the elderly. If Christian were prohibited from baptizing baby they disciple would have made it clear just as they made it clear to the Jewish Christians that circumcision was no longer necessary.

        The early Christian Churches

        The early Christian took this to heart. They understood how through baptism we are born again (John 3:5) and welcomed as son and daughter of God. St. Irenaeus (c. 130–c. 200) preaching on John 3:5 provides an early witness of Infant Baptism:

        “For He (Jesus) came to save all through means of Himself—all, I say, who through Him are born again to God, —infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men”

        St. Irenaeus
        Against Heresies, 2, 22, 4

        Origen (c. 185–c. 254) was another early Christian who writings have been preserved observed:

        “The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants. For the Apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine mysteries, knew that there is in everyone the innate stains of sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit”

        Commentary on Romans 5, 9

        Later St. Augustine, who greatly influenced many of the reformers, wrote:

        “This [infant baptism] the Church always had, always held; this she received from the faith of our ancestors; this she perseveringly guards even to the end”

        Augustine, Sermon. 11, De Verb Apost

        “Who is so impious as to wish to exclude infants from the kingdom of heaven by forbidding them to be baptized and born again in Christ?”

        Augustine, On Original Sin 2, 20

        So not only we don’t see a prohibition of Infant Baptism in scriptures but we can see Infant Baptism implicitly in Corinthians 1:16; Acts 16:30-33; Acts 16:14-15 and Acts 2:38–39 and more importantly we can see explicitly through out the early church!

        About Babies who died without baptism

        One more thing, that is not related to your question about Infant Baptism but that is related to your post: The Catholic Church views Luke 18:15-17 as a sign of hope for children that died without Baptism:

        “Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: ‘Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,’ allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism”

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        I hope this helps to clarify your question!

        God Bless,

        Caleb

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        • I did check first Caleb what your Church believes but wanted to know what you believed because when I read your first comment it was not clear, it seemed like you were contradicting your Churches teaching. Jesus leads us into all understanding and the Scriptures confirm we are to ask for His wisdom we were not Born with it, so we all lack it and humbly need to ask because without it we cannot understand God’s Truth because The Holy Spirit empowers us through it (1Corinthians2:9-16) to know His Truth, that is why it is the Principle thing.

          Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom and with all thy getting get understanding.

          James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

          Luke 11:13 how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

          But what you are doing Caleb is answering from the Internet and not by the leading of Jesus our only Teacher through of the Holy Spirit, He teaches us all things not a man or a woman, although they may share His Truth as Timothy’s Mother and Grandmother did and I seek to do but if it is not confirmed by Scripture we reject it because regardless of their position or Title, nobody is to add to Scripture or take away from it, if they do they will be held accountable (Revelation 22:18) and we remember when The Scriptures were written they didn’t have Books, Chapters or Verses and there was no Punctuation or small Particles, so God is referring to the whole cannon of His approved Scripture which is His Teaching or Prophesy that is recognized by all Churches today but not those teachings that were added later.

          In reference to some of your statements Caleb – The Trinity were called The Godhead in the early Greek the same as The Rapture was called by a different name in Revelation but both are mentioned, so is Aids and D.N.A but Baby or Child Baptism by water isn’t mentioned because it is all about confession of sins and repentance both which means we are knowingly identifying in our unity with God, an unborn Child, a Baby or small child cannot do these things.

          If you read the Scriptures Caleb that you mentioned and which I shared about Baptism, you will see that they confirm it was those who believed in these Households that were Baptized not those who didn’t or couldn’t because of their age.

          Circumcision was a sign that identified a Child as being dedicated to God, it did not save them, the same as water Baptism cannot save us or them today but they are under Grace until they know good from evil and repent and accept the free gift of Salvation and this Grace comes from God not a Man made Ordnance. Yes they still dedicate Children today in Churches showing that the Child is going to be brought up to know God but it also does not save them.

          Yes as I shared before, it is not water Baptism Caleb that saves any of us, just as being Circumcised didn’t in the Old Testament they still needed to sacrifice animals, it is being Circumcised or Baptized by The Holy Ghost or Spirit ( see below) which shows we are inwardly washed clean or purified, we must put our Carnal flesh to death by The Spirit and aim to be Born again, yes we have Salvation but we work it, out meaning we show it’s reality in our lives but this is done in the heart by The Spirit not by the works of man.

          John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is Born of the Spirit is Spirit.

          Mark 1:8 8 I indeed have Baptized you with water but He shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

          It’s by the Purifying of The Spirit working in our lives as we choose to walk in His Fruit and yes Faith without God’s good works that He has prepared in advance for us to do is dead, they will be shown in our lives and His good works are detailed and confirmed in Scripture and were from the time the Scriptures were recorded and they are not man made Rules, Regulations, Ordinances or Traditions that were added later by Man.

          Blessings – Anne.

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          • Dear Anne,

            Let me clarify a very important point concerning my responses. They are not based on what the Internet says but are based on 2,000 years of apostolic teachings. These are the teachings that the Apostles passed generations after generations through out the ages. Can you make such claim? Can you draw a continuous line of your interpretation back to apostolic times? The idea that Infants cannot be baptized is new to Christianity. We simply don’t see it until fairly recently. This is a man made tradition that has no historical grounds in Christianity prior to the reformation.

            Let me clarify some additional points:

            You wrote:

            “Circumcision was a sign that identified a Child as being dedicated to God, it did not save them, the same as water Baptism cannot save us or them today but they are under Grace until they know good from evil and repent and accept the free gift of Salvation and this Grace comes from God not a Man made Ordnance”.

            The Old Testament does not agree with your statement. Circumcision for the Jew was not only a sign but also necessary for Jews to enter in the covenant relationship with God:

            “But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

            Genesis 17:14

            In other words a Jew become a Jew through circumcision and this mainly happen in the eight-day of age. It was understood that the faith of their parents was enough to welcome the baby into a covenant relationship with God. St. Paul tells us that baptism is the new circumcision in Colossians 2:11-13 thereby if babies were to be excluded from baptism it is reasonable to argue that the disciples should have made so clear as they made clear that circumcision was not necessary for salvation. The Jewish understanding of a covenant relationship with God entail the whole family the old and the young, which includes babies. However, you made the argument that scriptures clearly indicates that infants were excluded from baptism:

            You wrote:

            “If you read the Scriptures Caleb that you mentioned and which I shared about Baptism, you will see that they confirm it was those who believed in these Households that were Baptized not those who didn’t or couldn’t because of their age”.

            But nowhere in the passages where whole household were baptized do we see the exclusion of babies. It clearly says that the whole households were baptized no exceptions! It is you who add this presupposition in order for these passages to fit your interpretation of scriptures.

            Now I asked you what is your interpretation when St. Peter says:

            Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you– not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience– through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

            1 Peter 3:21

            “Baptism now saves you”… I don’t think Peter could be any more clear about the salvific effects of baptism.

            What say you?

            God bless,
            Caleb

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            • In response Caleb to some of your Statements and also to your assumption that a man what ever his Title knows better than God …..

              1John 2:26-28 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is Truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.KJV

              As I shared before Caleb, in the verses where those in the Household were Baptized it said they all believed, Babies and little Children can’t even understand to believe, . There is also no mention of Lydia having a husband which would have been mentioned if she was married, so she would not have had any Children either. Please read the Scriptures Caleb and don’t just believe what man tells you or you read on the Internet.

              Circumcision for a baby Jew Caleb did not save him as I shared before when they were of an age of understanding they still had to show repentance with animal sacrifice, water Baptism does not save us or Babies, we need to be Baptized by the Holy Spirit as Born Again believers, we are under a new Covenant in Christ Jesus, He indwells us.

              Mark 1:8 8 I indeed have Baptized you with water but He shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost.KJV

              Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that Circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and Circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.KJV

              1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.KJV

              Proverbs 15:32-33 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.KJV

              In reference to 1 Peter 3:21 Caleb, you need to read it in context both in this Chapter and Book and also with the rest of the Scriptures concerning Baptism

              Now let me also clarify again Caleb a very important point concerning my responses, they are based on what God had man record in His written word, these are His Truth His thoughts, His Heart focus, His guidelines and man must not add to them or take away from them and they can’t be understood in the Carnal flesh (1Corinthians 2:9-16)

              Paul received from God and shared it with us and all his Teaching has been confirmed as God’s Truth, some of what your Church Teaches is shown to be in error by the confirmation of Scripture, you have been deceived Caleb like many others over the years.

              1 Corinthians 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.KJV

              Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.KJV

              If you don’t believe I have God’s wisdom Caleb, with my having asked for it and having received it which I have no doubts about, you are not only saying you can’t or anyone else can’t have His wisdom but you are also calling God a liar,(see below) which you need to repent of if you do.

              James 1:5-7 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.KJV

              Colossians 2:2-3 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in Love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.KJV

              Proverbs 3:5-7 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.KJV

              Proverbs 2:9-11 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path. When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; KJV

              Christian Love and Blessings – Anne.

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              • Dear Anne,

                Again we reach an impasse. All you offer in response is simply your interpretation/opinion of scriptures. The full context of 1 Peter 3:21 is very clear that baptism saves you. When St. Peter was ask what most one do to be save he says: repent and be baptize because for the forgiveness of sin:

                Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

                Acts 2:38

                Again St. Peter cannot be any clearer: we must repent and be baptize for the forgiveness of sins! Baptize washes away sins and imparts the Holy Spirit. He didn’t simply say just repent but repent and be baptized. Baptism is a sacrament that Christ himself instituted during the great commission of the Apostles before he ascended into heaven:

                “But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

                Matthew 28:16-20

                One of the most monumental moments in human history! Jesus commands his apostles: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

                He never left us Anne! He is with us through the Holy Spirit and in the Church that he founded. That very same Church that protected his teaching against persecution and heresies. Mind you Anne many of these false teachers claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and used scriptures to persuade people that their interpretation was the correct one. Such as the Arian heresy in the third century that denied the Divinity of Christ! If it wasn’t for the early fathers of the Church like St. Athanasius that stood up with the fire of the Holy Spirit burning in his heart and the prayers of all the desert father who came before him the Church might have been lost to an heretical view of the person of Christ! But as he said: Christ promised that the gates of hell, will not prevail against his Church because he will be with us “even to the end of age”.

                You argue that the Catholic Church added all these doctrine to Christianity in the following centuries but where is the evidence of that. You have the burden of proof when you make such accusations. Moreover you are completely silence against the witness of the early church. If it is true that the Catholic Church added all these doctrines and that early Christianity was much like you envisioned then why is it that the historical record does not show that?

                The Early Church believe in the authority of the Bishop, in the regeneration of baptism, in infant Baptism, in the real presence of the Eucharist, that is that the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you look at the early Christian worship it was not centered on preaching but on the celebration of the Holy Eucharist, and that the early church pray to saints in heaven.

                Yes, we are inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit in all manners of truth. That is the witness of the Church that Christ founded a light to the world:

                “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

                Matthew 5:14-16

                God bless,

                Caleb

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                • Caleb these are your own words…. Sometimes people instead of bringing the joy of the gospel they places stumbling blocks for other people to meet Christ’s love and mercy. How many people are alienated from Christ because of such preaching? It is sad to hear such a story but even worse is to think that these people genuinely believe what they preach!

                  The Teaching that Babies and small Children go to Hell who have not been Baptized by water originated from the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutherans also teach it and so does Calvinism and some other Cults but there is no Scripture to support it, you must repent and Believe to be Baptized by water and the Holy Spirit, Babies can’t do this so they are under Grace until they are of an age of understanding and can choose to repent and believe.

                  We are not Born again just by water Baptism Caleb, Pentecost had not come and many were Baptized by John the Baptist but yes later by The Holy Spirit after Pentecost, when they asked they received.

                  Mark 1:8 8 I indeed have Baptized you with water but He shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost.KJV

                  Luke 11:13 how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

                  You need to ask God for His wisdom and empowering Caleb and stop trusting in what you have been taught in error.

                  Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom and with all thy getting get understanding.

                  May God’s Love and Blessings overflow you – Anne.

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                  • Dear Anne,

                    I completely agree with you that many times people with good intentions place stumbling blocks for people to meet Christ Love and Mercy. This has been a central point in Pope Francis ministry but is a delicate balance between FIRMLY preaching the truth of the gospel but doing it gently. That is meeting people where they are but doing it so with compassion and mercy.

                    As regards to the preaching that babies go to hell if they are not baptize, I am wondering where did you read/learn that the Catholic Church has ever preach this?

                    I never heard that the Church have ever preach this…many theologians have made a numerous speculation about what happen to these babies but the Church has never settle it as a matter of doctrine. There was a time where it was acceptable to believe that unbaptized babies will go to a special place called “limbo” (where babies experience a supernatural joy of God’s love but aren’t quite in heaven) but this has always been a theological speculation (preached by some in the Church) and not an official teaching of the Church. On the other hand the church has always preach that the soul of these babies are in the hand of God!

                    We can see from scripture that although Jesus we are bound to obey Christ’s sacraments (i.e. baptism) his love is not bound by them. I great example is the “thief” from the Cross. He believed and had a desire for Christ but didn’t have the opportunity to be properly baptize yet we know from the lips of Jesus that he is in heaven!

                    Just to clarify the official teaching of the Catholic Church in regards to babies who are not baptized, I leave you with this quote from the catechism of the Catholic Church:

                    “Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: ‘Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,’ allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism”

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                    Thank you for sharing those passages…just one more thing, yes we are born again by water baptism as Jesus said:

                    Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

                    John 3:5

                    Baptism is through water and spirit, we believe that water baptism seals us with the Holy Spirit! We see this in Jesus baptism when he was baptize with water we also see the Holy Spirit defending upon him!

                    After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

                    Mathew 3:16

                    God bless!

                    Caleb

                    PS How is Ron doing…hope all is well in the Land of Down Under!

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  12. Anne–first, I am sorry for yours and your husband’s loss—but I am buoyed by your undoubting love and faith—many a woman to have suffered such loss would no doubt, and would be graciously allowed such, harbor a great sea of sorrow, resentment anger and even righteous indignation—your life is a testament that all Grace and healing rests in the hands of a loving God—
    and secondly—I don’t know who in their right mind would ever think that a loving Father would send babies and children to the depths of hell—I’m still shaking my head!
    Here’s to Grace, Forgiveness and God’s endless Love—-
    Julie

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    • Thank you Julie for visiting and sharing and for your wisdom and understanding too and yes as hard as it is to believe, there are some who are very deceived and believe that God sends His little ones to Hell and other evil deception and so they promote confusion and heartache, this is why I posted this clarification of His Love in regard to Babies and Children and yes us too, I hope others will do the same.

      As for my loss, I give Thanks that my Children have only ever known Joy in God’s arms of Love, I’m going to leave a link for you Julie that will give you more understanding of my heart focus in regards to forgiveness, yes my life has been very hard and still is in some ways but I have deep Inner Joy in knowing I’m Loved and valued by God as His own and that I will be united with my babies, although they are always with me in my heart.

      Rescued… https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/rescued-from-the-graveyard/

      Christian Love Always – Anne.

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  13. And btw, your last paragraph says it all and wraps things up very, very well! ♡

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  14. Oh my goodness… I’m horrified after reading this Anne and am so sorry!! You are absolutely right and this is why it’s so important for us to read the Scriptures for ourselves and not just blindly follow how a man (Preacher, teacher, etc.) interprets it. I’m SO grateful God has spoken to your heart, because otherwise… Teachings like this are why people hate church and even turn against God.

    I came from such teachings and the damage can be so devastating! Thankfully, I sought the Truth in Scripture and found new leaders as well. Now, I’m grateful for the experience, because it’s so much easier to spot Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing.

    And especially where baptism is concerned… That one really gets me. Baptism is about confession and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savoir – How is an infant even capable of that or how do people think a young child is able of making such a decision? They aren’t! God gave us the freedom to choose ~ I believe it’s the second greatest gift He gave us (the first being His son, of course.) And I think our time here is about making that eternal choice.

    There is SO much more I could say, as there is definitely such a thing as righteous anger, and I admit… Nothing gets me going more than false teachings, because that is some man messing around with people’s souls and their eternal life. Just remember, it’s also something those men will have to give answer for one day themselves ~ They will be held accountable and judged eternally by the ONLY One who should be doing it in the first place.

    May you continue to find refuge in His arms Anne, and not allow the howling of the wolf to cry louder than His Spirit which resides within you. Hugs my friend and thank you for posting this! 🙂

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    • Thank you Jessie and it’s good to hear from you again, what you said is very True we do have free choice, God does not want Puppets, we Seek, Ask and Knock as Jesus tells us to do, yet so many don’t.

      God tells us His wisdom with The Spirits empowering is the Principle thing in knowing and understanding His Truth but instead of asking and receiving it, they trust in what Carnal man tells them and so are deceived. I pray they will come to their senses and repent, put their Carnal flesh to death and aim to be perfected in Love before it is too late, yes our time on earth is short but Thankfully there will be a world wide revival first as Prophesied, Praise The Lord!

      Christian Love – Anne.

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  15. eliveleth2013 says:

    It is my opinion that God does not SEND anyone to hell! Those who go choose it.

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  16. 50djohnson says:

    Oh Anne, I so agree with you. I think these people must be completely out of their minds to say an innocent baby without the ability to speak or understand yet, much less confess their sins, would be sent to hell over a ritual. completely a lie and a source of misunderstanding that could keep young mother’s from believing that God is a merciful and loving God. Thank you for sharing. Love u, Debbie.

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    • Not out of their minds Debbie, they are deceived teachers who are trusting in man made rules, regulations, Ordinances and Traditions, instead of God’s and they do this because apart from not asking for and receiving God’s wisdom they also lack His logic, reasoning, and discernment, as we can see clearly with Baby Baptism and those who agree with them also can’t see why it does not gel both with Scripture and commonsense because they have not asked and received God’s wisdom either.

      Thank you Debbie you are indeed a woman of great value and I Thank God for your friendship and support, I’m not sure if you have Posted again but I will visit soon.

      Blessings – Anne.

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