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Keeping you both in prayer my friend. Your call the other night was so reassuring. Prayer has lifted my spirits. Keeping in prayer is important.I know God is in my life restoring what was taken emotionally and physically. It is wonderful how God has worked in your life.
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I always enjoy sharing with you Bj on the Blog or by Phone, you are a very Caring Christian Woman, I appreciate your encouragement too.
Yes Prayer is powerful Bj when it comes from the Heart and is led by The Holy Spirit, perhaps we could start a Prayer time together for those in need and for seeking God’s will in our Lives too.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Grand idea, it will keep me in check. Staying in Gods word is so important.
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I will contact you Bj within the next few days, start your list and I will too.
Blessings – Anne.
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What an awesome, awesome news! Thank you for sharing! Say hi to Ron from me!
Caleb
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Yes Ron’s recovery is so wonderful Caleb, God is indeed God of the impossible and regardless of what tools He uses He is our only Healer. It’s so good we believe in Him many don’t and their lives end up empty and often in despair. How old were you Caleb when you repented and accepted Jesus as your Saviour?
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Great to hear! Please say hi to him!!!
Every time I receive Jesus in the Holy Eucharist!
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I don’t see Ron as often now Caleb but when I do see him next week, I will say Hi for you.
I was wondering Caleb and I hope you don’t mind me asking again as I’m seeking more detail from you but when did you come to True Heart Repentance and was Baptized with understanding of what you were doing and so asking to receive The Holy Spirit too.
Looking forward to hearing from you – Anne.
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I was baptize as an infant, that was when I was born again!!!
I guess the closer experience to what you are referring probably happen around the time I received my first communion. Ever since then I have I have been blessed with many experiences of repentance, conversion and renewal in faith, in adoration, during spiritual retreats, and through tough times.
Best,
Caleb
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To be Born Again Caleb happens only after we have Faith and have repented showing we believe in Jesus as our Lord and Saviour which a Baby cannot do so they are under Grace until they are of an age of understanding as confirmed in Scripture.
The Scriptures below Caleb confirm what it means to be Born Again, we have God’s seed or Nature not Adams, the Old has gone the New has come. We are to work out our Salvation not meaning work for it. God knows those who are His before we are conceived because He knows who will accept Jesus as Their Lord and Saviour and not one of us will be lost.
1 John 3:9 No one who is Born of God will continue to Sin, because God’s seed remains in him he cannot go on Sinning because he has been Born of God.
1 John 5:18-20 We know that no one who is Born of God Sins but He who was Born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touch him.
When we Sin we are still in darkness as confirmed in 1John 2:3-6 but we do have an Advocate in Jesus and are forgiven, when we are Perfected in Love we have the mind of Christ and do not choose to Sin (1Corinthians2:16) and we walk as He walked by the empowering of The Holy Spirit.
1John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His Commandments. He that saith; I know Him and keepeth not His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word in Him verily is the Love of God Perfected hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to Walk even as He Walked.
1 John 4:17-19 Herein is our Love made Perfect that we may have boldness in the day of judgment because as He is so are we in this world. There is no fear in Love but Perfect Love casteth out fear because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made Perfect in Love. We Love Him because He first Loved us.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Hi Anne,
We can see evidence that infants were baptized in scripture:
Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call.”
Acts 2:38-39
In Acts 16:15,33 and 1 Corinthian 1:16 it is implied that adults and children were baptized, as when the head of a household is converted his entire household was also baptized.
Paul also notes that baptism has replaced circumcision (Col. 2:11-12), which is given to infants (Lv 12:3, Gn 17:12 and Luke 2:21). Many Jews would have been dismay if the infants were excluded, because that would imply that the new covenant given by Christ is less inclusive and therefore inferior to the old covenant given to Moses. As many biblical scholars, many of them Protestants have pointed out: if Paul meant to exclude infants, he would have to either clarify to the Jews or not have chosen to compare circumcision with baptism.
To be baptize is to be born again:
“Nicodemus said to Him, ‘How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?’ Jesus answered, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:4,5
“Unless one is born of WATER and SPIRIT, he cannot enter the kingdom of God”. The people listening understood that Jesus was referring to baptism, as the water of his baptism by John the Baptist and the Spirit descending as a dove.
The fact that we can’t do anything to merit our salvation is beautifully demonstrated by the fact that we baptize our babies, who can’t do anything.
Best,
Caleb
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The Links I gave you Caleb were supported with the Confirmation of Scripture, what your Church teaches isn’t and Trusting in what Man propagates and not God’s Truth is a dead end regardless of who believes what your Church says is true, not all reported History is factual.
As shared with you before Caleb with the Confirmation of Scripture, your Church shows their disobedience. We have One intercessor Jesus Christ, Man cannot forgive Sins and we do not Bow down or pray to Men or to Mary and Scripture Confirms that Mary did not remain a Virgin, Joseph and Mary had other Children, yes it also confirms they had Sexual relations as shared with you on your Blog. No where in Scripture are we asked to pay for our Sins to be forgiven, or is Baptism done by Sprinkling.
We have only One Spiritual Father, we are not to call a Man our Father and Jesus is our only Spiritual Teacher, we do not Trust in what Men teach unless it is confirmed in Scripture or in God’s Creation but to understand God’s Truth we need His Wisdom and empowering by The Holy Spirit those who don’t have it won’t understand because it’s Spiritual. (1Corinthians2: 9-16)
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
We find ourself at the same crossroads once more. I respect your love for scriptures, but you are relying on your own interpretation of the Bible. One that is colored by a tradition of man that has no historical foundation in early Christianity and that more often than not also contradicts other protestant denominations, (such as baby baptism and calling priest fathers…)…I have study scripture and trust in the Holy Spirit to know that the Catholic Church has defended Christian Orthodoxy for more than 2,000 years against emperors and heretics.
I hope to continue our dialogue inasmuch is a dialogue and not a one way communication.
Cheers,
Caleb
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I asked for God’s Wisdom Caleb which none of us were Born with the same as The Holy Spirit and He said when we ask He gives it to us and not to doubt that He has given it to us, (see link below) the same as when we ask God for The Holy Spirit, He tells us He will give both to us and God does not lie.
Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the Principal thing therefore get Wisdom and with all thy getting get Understanding.
James 1:5-6 If any of you lack Wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all Men liberally, and upbraideth not and it shall be given him. But let him ask in Faith nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that Man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded Man is unstable in all his ways.
Luke 11:13 ….. how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?
Wisdom- https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/the-gaining-of-wisdom/
This is why I never just give my opinion Caleb on Spiritual Truths, only on what God confirms in Scripture or by His Creation through The Holy Spirits empowering. You need to seek Jesus, He is our only Spiritual Teacher not those who are in your Churches or on the Internet because they mostly copy each others errors.
What I have shared with you Caleb is God’s Truth, He is seeking to warn you of the danger that your Church presents, we are not to bow down even to Angels or are we to seek Man to forgive our Sins or call them our Spiritual Fathers. Babies, young Children and the Retarded are under Grace because they cannot understand Salvation in Christ Jesus and so they don’t need to be Baptized for the forgiveness of their Sins, when their old enough they have free will to choose like we all do to Repent and Believe.
Rings were not just used by Pagans they were even used in the Tabernacle, they signify Commitment and are a symbol of being joined as One. It is what is in the Heart that matters Caleb not what others do in error, that is why God will rescue His Heart Children from all Denominations World wide including those in Home Churches and in Cults and even from those who have been deceived by other Worldly False Teaching, such as Evolution and the Big Bang, both are unproven theories.
Blessings- Anne.
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Dear Anne,
I think we reached an impasse, nevertheless I appreciate your friendship.
I wish you a Merry Christmas with many blessings!
Cheers,
Caleb
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The Link you asked for Caleb in one of your Comments but it seems you missed reading it.
Link- https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
Blessings – Anne.
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Do you believe Caleb if a Baby or young Child is not Baptized and they die God sends them to Hell to suffer Eternally even though they do not know good from evil? because that is what your Church is claiming by Baptizing Babies for their Sin, please read the Message and Comments on the link below…
Link- https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/does-god-send-babies-to-hell/
The Circumcision mentioned in (Col. 2:11-12) was of the Heart not the flesh.
Also there is no mention that Babies were Baptized in Scripture only those who believed in the Households were Baptized after hearing the Word of God which Babies would not have understood. But yes the promise was for their Children but it was for when they grew up and understood and believed and repented too, until they did, they were under Grace the same as today.
Acts 2:41Then they that gladly received His Word were Baptized and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And brought them out and said Sirs what must I do to be saved? and they said; Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house. And they spake unto him the Word of the Lord and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes and was Baptized he and all his straightway. And when he had brought them into his house he set meat before them and rejoiced believing in God with all his house.(KJV)
As we can also see Caleb in the Scripture below, being Baptized is about Faith and Repentance, something Babies do not have or do…
Matthew 3:5-7 Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judaea and all the region round about Jordan and were Baptized of him in Jordan confessing their Sins.(KJV)
Mark 1:4-6 John did Baptize in the wilderness and Preach the Baptism of Repentance for the remission of Sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea and they of Jerusalem and were all Baptized of him in the river of Jordan confessing their Sins(KJV)
Mark 1:7-9 And Preached saying; There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have Baptized you with water but He shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost.(KJV)
Mark 16:15-17 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world and Preach the gospel to every creature. He that Believeth and is Baptized shall be saved but he that Believeth not shall be damned. And these Signs shall follow them that believe, in my Name shall they cast out devils they shall speak with new tongues;(KJV)
Acts 1:4-6 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father which saith he ye have heard of me. For John truly Baptized with water but ye shall be Baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.(KJV)
Acts 2:37-39 Now when they heard this they were pricked in their heart and said unto Peter and to the rest of the Apostles, Men and Brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them; Repent and be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of Sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.For the promise is unto you and to your Children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call.(KJV)
Galatians 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither Male nor Female for ye are all One in Christ Jesus.(KJV)
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
The Catholic Church does not teaches that unbaptized babies are going to hell. I will recommend you to carefully study what the Catholic Church teaches before you make straw man arguments against what you think the Catholic Church teaches.
A great place to start is the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 1261:
“As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism”.
For the full context about baptism here is a link to the whole section:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3M.HTM
Another place to look is at other official church documents such as:
The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized.
You can find it here:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html
Concerning Col. 2:11-12, here is the full text:
“For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily, and you share in this fullness in him, who is the head of every principality and power. In him you were also circumcised with circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead”.
The point that I made in my reply was that Paul is directly stating that baptisms is the circumcision of Christ, one that is “not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body”. He furthers make the point that it is through the effects of baptism (an action) that we are save because it is in baptism that we are buried and raised with Christ from the dead.
As Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21:
“This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”.
and all the scriptures that you quoted affirm the power of baptism to save.
As you noticed believing and repentance are necessary for baptism, mostly because the apostles were preaching to adults. However, in the jewish tradition the act of faith and repentance could be made by the parents on behalf of their children. This is clearly denoted in the fact that the primary efficacious sign that allows a Jew to enter in God’s covenant under the Old Law was circumcision, which was perform to babies.
Given that Jews knew that every new covenant is better and greater than the former, to exclude babies from partaking of God’s new covenant is to limit it and make it inferior. This would necessitate that the apostle 1) make it clear that babies are to be excluded. 2) Give a good explanation as to why. But nowhere in the bible does it make it clear that babies are to excluded from baptism nor does it say that they need to wait to reach an age of reason before they can be baptize.
Best,
Caleb
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Sorry Caleb for the late reply but you were in my Spam, I just found you.
The Point your missing Caleb is that Babies do not have to be Baptized, they are under Grace until they are of an age of understanding as confirmed by the Scripture in the Link I posted for you before.
We also can’t be Born Again by only having Water Baptism, when we Repent which shows we Believe in Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and the only way to The Heavenly Father who like Jesus and The Holy Spirit are Part of The Godhead or Trinity as we call them today, both meaning 3 in One, we are than able to be Baptized by The Holy Spirit but not before.
We than Work out our Salvation but not meaning work for it, we show we have it by putting our Carnal flesh to death by The Spirit as we Aim to be Perfected in Love.
I’m not sure where you are receiving your information from Caleb but it would benefit you greatly to ask God for His Wisdom and Empowering by The Spirit and Seek Jesus to lead you into all understanding, He is our only Spiritual Teacher.
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
First, I shared with you scriptures that confirm the Catholic understanding about baptism. Second, I hope that you were able to study what the Catholic Church really teaches about unbaptized babies, and that it clarified your misunderstandings. Third, thanks to the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation I have been sealed in the Holy Spirit, and imparted with wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the lord, all for his Glory!
Finally, to succinctly answer your question: I get my information from the Church that Christ founded. The same Catholic and Apostolic Church that gave us the bible that you read and that has boldly proclaimed the name of Christ to all Nations for 2,000 years.
Best,
Caleb
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The Roman Catholic Church Caleb was not the first Church of God it was just called Catholic, meaning Universal, the Christians meet in their homes everyday and later went to the Temple to hear the Original Scriptures read. Your Church was established by Constantine who introduced Pagan customs.
Yes God did inspire all the Bible Caleb but the Roman Catholic Church have added other Books to it that were found to be in error and were not accepted. Truth cannot contradict itself so agreement with the other Books of Scripture is only logical. If the facts of a Book were inaccurate, it couldn’t have been from God and your Churches Books Caleb were proven to be inaccurate, which if wanted I can share with Scripture confirmation why they are.
Although we can have the Holy Spirit working in our lives He cannot indwell us unless we have been Born Again and Perfected in Love and this does not happen when we are Babies or living Sinfully as confirmed below.
1 John 3:9 No one who is Born of God will continue to Sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on Sinning, because he has been Born of God.
1John 5 18-20 We know that no one who is Born of God Sins but He who was Born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3 – No one who lives in Him keeps on Sinning. No one who continues to Sin has either seen Him or known Him. Dear Children do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is Righteous, just as He is Righteous.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto Sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 8:34-36 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth everyone who Sins is a slave to Sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed.
Please stop Trusting in Man Caleb and seek God for His Wisdom and empowering Trusting in Jesus our only Spiritual Teacher to lead you into all Understanding.
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
First, where is the historical evidence that Constantine founded the Catholic Church and introduced Pagan custom? Without historical evidence you are just repeating your opinion, which is based on old disproven canards and have absolutely no historical support.
The fact is that there is mounts of historical and archeological evidences show the continuity of church teachings from the time to the apostles to our modern times. The witness of the early church affirm this very point. I invited you to investigate writers like St. Ignatius of Antioch who knew Paul and John, or St. Irenaeus, Clement the first or even St. John Chrysostom all give witness of Catholic teachings in the early church way before Constantine was born.
Second, it was the Martin Luther who took books out of the bible, because they disagree with his theology not because they contained error. Did you know the Martin Luther wanted to exclude James, because it disagree with his theology about salvation?
The apostles read a bible that included those books, more importantly they directly quoted from those books that protestant excluded from the bible, even Jesus did!!! If they contained error why quote from them???
Here is a list of direct quotation from the New Testament and the verse from those books that protestant excluded…it is quite long!
Matt. 2:16 – Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 – slaying the holy innocents.
Matt. 6:19-20 – Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 – lay up your treasure.
Matt.. 7:12 – Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 – what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 – Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 – the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 – the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 – sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 – Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 – Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 – Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 – Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of
Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 – Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 – the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 – let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 – if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 – Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 9:48 – description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
Luke 1:42 – Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.
Luke 1:52 – Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.
Luke 2:29 – Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.
Luke 13:29 – the Lord’s description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.
Luke 21:24 – Jesus’ usage of “fall by the edge of the sword” follows Sirach 28:18.
Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 – Luke’s description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.
John 1:3 – all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.
John 3:13 – who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.
John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 – Jesus’, Luke’s and Paul’s usage of “signs and wonders” follows Wisdom 8:8.
John 5:18 – Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.
John 6:35-59 – Jesus’ Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.
John 10:22 – the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.
John 10:36 – Jesus accepts the inspiration of Maccabees as He analogizes the Hanukkah consecration to His own consecration to the Father in 1 Macc. 4:36.
John 15:6 – branches that don’t bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.
Acts 1:15 – Luke’s reference to the 120 may be a reference to 1 Macc. 3:55 – leaders of tens / restoration of the twelve.
Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6 – Peter’s and Paul’s statement that God shows no partiality references Sirach 35:12.
Acts 17:29 – description of false gods as like gold and silver made by men follows Wisdom 13:10.
Rom 1:18-25 – Paul’s teaching on the knowledge of the Creator and the ignorance and sin of idolatry follows Wis. 13:1-10.
Rom. 1:20 – specifically, God’s existence being evident in nature follows Wis. 13:1.
Rom. 1:23 – the sin of worshipping mortal man, birds, animals and reptiles follows Wis. 11:15; 12:24-27; 13:10; 14:8.
Rom. 1:24-27 – this idolatry results in all kinds of sexual perversion which follows Wis. 14:12,24-27.
Rom. 4:17 – Abraham is a father of many nations follows Sirach 44:19.
Rom. 5:12 – description of death and sin entering into the world is similar to Wisdom 2:24.
Rom. 9:21 – usage of the potter and the clay, making two kinds of vessels follows Wisdom 15:7.
1 Cor. 2:16 – Paul’s question, “who has known the mind of the Lord?” references Wisdom 9:13.
1 Cor. 6:12-13; 10:23-26 – warning that, while all things are good, beware of gluttony, follows Sirach 36:18 and 37:28-30.
1 Cor. 8:5-6 – Paul acknowledging many “gods” but one Lord follows Wis. 13:3.
1 Cor. 10:1 – Paul’s description of our fathers being under the cloud passing through the sea refers to Wisdom 19:7.
1 Cor. 10:20 – what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God refers to Baruch 4:7.
1 Cor. 15:29 – if no expectation of resurrection, it would be foolish to be baptized on their behalf follows 2 Macc. 12:43-45.
Eph. 1:17 – Paul’s prayer for a “spirit of wisdom” follows the prayer for the spirit of wisdom in Wisdom 7:7.
Eph. 6:14 – Paul describing the breastplate of righteousness is the same as Wis. 5:18. See also Isaiah 59:17 and 1 Thess. 5:8.
Eph. 6:13-17 – in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
1 Tim. 6:15 – Paul’s description of God as Sovereign and King of kings is from 2 Macc. 12:15; 13:4.
2 Tim. 4:8 – Paul’s description of a crown of righteousness is similar to Wisdom 5:16.
Heb. 4:12 – Paul’s description of God’s word as a sword is similar to Wisdom 18:15.
Heb. 11:5 – Enoch being taken up is also referenced in Wis 4:10 and Sir 44:16. See also 2 Kings 2:1-13 & Sir 48:9 regarding Elijah.
Heb 11:35 – Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
Heb. 12:12 – the description “drooping hands” and “weak knees” comes from Sirach 25:23.
James 1:19 – let every man be quick to hear and slow to respond follows Sirach 5:11.
James 2:23 – it was reckoned to him as righteousness follows 1 Macc. 2:52 – it was reckoned to him as righteousness.
James 3:13 – James’ instruction to perform works in meekness follows Sirach 3:17.
James 5:3 – describing silver which rusts and laying up treasure follows Sirach 29:10-11.
James 5:6 – condemning and killing the “righteous man” follows Wisdom 2:10-20.
1 Peter 1:6-7 – Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wisdom 3:5-6 and Sirach 2:5.
1 Peter 1:17 – God judging each one according to his deeds refers to Sirach 16:12 – God judges man according to his deeds.
2 Peter 2:7 – God’s rescue of a righteous man (Lot) is also described in Wisdom 10:6.
Rev. 1:4 – the seven spirits who are before his throne is taken from Tobit 12:15 – Raphael is one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints before the Holy One.
Rev. 1:18; Matt. 16:18 – power of life over death and gates of Hades follows Wis. 16:13.
Rev. 2:12 – reference to the two-edged sword is similar to the description of God’s Word in Wisdom 18:16.
Rev. 5:7 – God is described as seated on His throne, and this is the same description used in Sirach 1:8.
Rev. 8:3-4 – prayers of the saints presented to God by the hand of an angel follows Tobit 12:12,15.
Rev. 8:7 – raining of hail and fire to the earth follows Wisdom 16:22 and Sirach 39:29.
Rev. 9:3 – raining of locusts on the earth follows Wisdom 16:9.
Rev. 11:19 – the vision of the ark of the covenant (Mary) in a cloud of glory was prophesied in 2 Macc. 2:7.
Rev. 17:14 – description of God as King of kings follows 2 Macc. 13:4.
Rev. 19:1 – the cry “Hallelujah” at the coming of the new Jerusalem follows Tobit 13:18.
Rev. 19:11 – the description of the Lord on a white horse in the heavens follows 2 Macc. 3:25; 11:8.
Rev. 19:16 – description of our Lord as King of kings is taken from 2 Macc. 13:4.
Rev. 21:19 – the description of the new Jerusalem with precious stones is prophesied in Tobit 13:17.
Exodus 23:7 – do not slay the innocent and righteous – Dan. 13:53 – do not put to death an innocent and righteous person.
1 Sam. 28:7-20 – the intercessory mediation of deceased Samuel for Saul follows Sirach 46:20.
2 Kings 2:1-13 – Elijah being taken up into heaven follows Sirach 48:9.
Third, my trust is not in any man, Anne, but in the Man God, Jesus Christ and the Church that he founded.
I hope you seek the evidence and be open to where it leads you, which is at the boson of Christ’s Church.
Best,
Caleb
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As I have shared before Caleb; your Roman Catholic Church was not the first Catholic Church which meant Universal and they met in their homes. The books your Church included later that were rejected had some Truth but had error too and God does not make mistakes that is why they were rejected and not included in the Canon of Scripture and they were not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls either in reference to your ones in the Old Testament.
All Scripture is inspired by God and you can be sure there is no error, such as Angels having Children with earthly Woman as one of your Books claim, they have different D.N.A, which God confirmed about Animals too. These Angels did what those in Sodom and Gomorrah did and are now in chains waiting judgement as Jude confirms. The other Books your Church included have fables, old wives tales, hearsay etc even though they have some Truth having copied other Scriptures.
You can also be sure Caleb that No where in Scripture does it say Baptism is done by the Sprinkling of water, it was always full immersion, that is why we know Babies were not Baptized, it was introduced later by your Church but is not needed because they are under Grace until they are of an age of Understanding as confirmed in the Scriptures I shared with you and in others.
I do believe you Love The Lord Caleb and are seeking to Honor Him in your Life but like Cults members you have been deceived, seek Jesus our only Spiritual Teacher to lead you into all Truth asking for God’s Wisdom and Empowering.
Matthew23:8-10 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi for One is your Teacher The Christ, and you are all Brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your Father for One is your Father He who is in Heaven. And do not be called Teachers for One is your Teacher The Christ.
1John 2:26-28 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of Him Abideth in you and ye need not that any Man teach you but as the same anointing Teacheth you of all things and is Truth and is no lie and even as it hath Taught you ye shall abide in Him.
Colossians 2 :2 -3 That their Hearts might be Comforted being knit together in Love and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God and of The Father and of Christ In whom are hid all the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an Understanding that we may know Him that is True and we are in Him that is True even in His Son Jesus Christ this is the True God and Eternal Life.
1Corinthians 2: 2-3 & 9-16
John 15:14-15 Ye are my Friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth but I have called you Friends for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.(KJV)
Matthew 10:26-28 Fear them not therefore for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed and hid that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness that speak ye in Light and what ye hear in the ear that preach ye upon the housetops (KJV)
Psalm 32:8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you shall go I will guide you with Mine eye.
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
I hope all is well, as you can see I am trying to make my way back to blogging with the post of the Three Hermits. I hope to have another post for next week!
Constantine and the Catholic Church:
If you want to make convincing arguments you can’t just give your opinion on things, but you have to give historical references. So far you haven’t produced any evidence that points towards Constantine founding the Catholic Church. On the contrary there is a mount of evidence that disprove such falsehood. Keep repeating them, won’t make them true.
Dead Sea Scrolls:
You mentioned that the books excluded in the Protestant cannon “were not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls”, but this is in fact incorrect.
Tobit and Sirach were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Tobit was found in two scrolls written in Hebrew. One scroll of Sirach was found written in Aramaic and another written in Hebrew. In addition fragments/chapters of the other books were also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, except probably for the Book of Esther.
I hope you can visit Israel Antiquities Authority website for unbiased information:
http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/learn-about-the-scrolls/scrolls-content
Not to mentioned that they were all included in the Septuagint the scrolls heavily used by the apostles.
What say you about all the reference I gave you with chapter and verse in which the apostles quoted from those books that are excluded from protestant bibles?
You can’t keep ignoring the data.
Best,
Caleb
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We are not to agree to disagree Caleb, we are to be in agreement about God’s Truth and if we have the Mind of Christ we will be, so let’s Pray we will be in agreement and not just Trust in what Man propagates.
Blessings – Anne.
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I never just give my opinion Caleb on Spiritual Truths, only on what Scripture or God’s Creation confirms, you need to seek Jesus, He is our only Spiritual Teacher not those who are in your Churches or on the Internet because they mostly copy each others errors.
Jesus tells us to Ask, Seek and Knock not just to wait to be zapped, we work out our Salvation not meaning work for it.
The Caves were also full of Pagan literature and false teaching not just writings that confirmed Scripture, the books from your Church that were rejected had error in them as well as Scripture from other books, Jesus did not refer to them by name only the Truth which is also in other Scripture, as I shared before God does not make mistakes or does He contradict His Truth.
Caleb why does your Church use Father as a name for their Priests when they are told not to by God? only He is our Spiritual Father.
Matthew 23:8-10 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi for One is your Teacher The Christ, and you are all Brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your Father for One is your Father He who is in Heaven. And do not be called Teachers for One is your Teacher The Christ.
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
You do give your opinion when you accused the Catholic Church to be founded by Constantine and give absolutely no historical evidence to substantiated your point.
And when you are presented with actual evidence that contradicts your opinion you simply dismisses it. This is confirmation bias and it only ensures the propagation of falsehoods.
If the Mathew 23:8 is to be taken absolutely in a literal way as you are doing in your interpratation then may I ask you then did James and Paul referred to Abraham as father in James 2:21, and seven times in Romans 4:1-18 or why Stephen also called Abraham father in Acts 7:1-2? Or later why did Paul referred to himself as father in I Corinthians 4:14-15:
I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Best,
Caleb
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Caleb ever since I have been Blogging with you, it has been shown that you have sought Man not Jesus our only Teacher for Confirmation in what you believe, even those believing in Evolution or the Big Bang and so you also mistakenly believe that we can Pray to Saints or Mary for forgiveness when the Scriptures tell us clearly that only Jesus can intercede for us He is our Advocate.
You also have still not confirmed with Scripture that water Baptism can be done by Sprinkling and not just by full Immersion as Jesus showed by His example and you have not explained why Babies need to be Baptized when they are under Grace until they are able to have Faith and understand Salvation in Christ Jesus and I have indeed confirmed with Scripture why you are in error.
I have also constantly given you Scripture Caleb that confirms what I share in other important Truths, I ask you again; “Why does your Church use Father as a name for their Priests when they are told not to by God? He is our only Spiritual Father, who are your Leadership seeking God or Carnal Men for their Understanding?
Matthew 23:8-10 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi for One is your Teacher The Christ, and you are all Brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your Father for One is your Father He who is in Heaven. And do not be called Teachers for One is your Teacher The Christ.
Blessings – Anne.
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Sorry Caleb I forgot to respond to your question about Abraham and Paul being called fathers, either God has contradicted Himself and is in error or they were not Spiritual Fathers the same as He is, ask Jesus He will give you the answer as confirmed in Scripture.
But as a Help, do you know what it means to be Perfected in Love having put our Carnal Flesh to death or what it means to work out our Salvation?
Blessings – Anne.
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Perhaps Caleb you will take to heart what this person shares on the link below about the Origins of the Roman Catholic Church since you don’t believe me even though my confirmation comes from Scripture as confirmed by The Holy Spirit who speaking for Jesus our only Spiritual Teacher leads us into all Truth.
Link- https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
I appreciate the opportunity to sustain a dialogue about the most important thing that we can talk about, our Faith.
The main issue is that you rely on your own private interpretation of scriptures. You are your own Authority. I make no such claims. True, the Holy Spirit guides us and gives us wisdom and understanding, but Christ made it clear that he left us One Church, that has the authority to bind and to loose. My trust in Christ and the Church that he founded not in man nor my own fallible authority.
The truth is that every single teaching of the Catholic Church is supported by scripture and tradition. It is what the apostles tough and it is articulated in the witness of the early Christians. As John Henry Newman said to be deep into history is to ceased to be protestant. As I pointed out to you in our dialogue it was the Catholic Church that gave you the bible that you are reading today. It is because of her witness that you know that the Gospel according to John is true and the Gospel according to Mary or Peter are false.
Part of a dialogue is to listen to each other, contemplate each others points and respond accordingly, without such decorum it becomes very difficult to sustain a reasonable and productive dialogue. This is the second main issue, I feel that you don’t properly weight the scriptures, arguments and historical evidence that I presented to you. You dismiss them and quickly move on to the next argument/challenge. On this discussion you have done it multiple times:
1. Did you change your opinion about what the Catholic Church teaches about unbaptized babies? or Do you still think that the Catholic Church condemns them to hell?
2. Did you ponder the scriptural verses that clearly state that baptism is the new circumcision and thereby the practice of baptizing babies has strong scriptural based. Or the arguments pertaining the Jewish views on the nature of Covenant and the implied necessity for Paul to clarify that babies ought not to be baptized? Or the many verses I gave you where it clearly says that the WHOLE Household was baptized, this most certainly include babies?
3. You made the claim that the Catholic Church was founded by Constantine, but gave no historical evidence to support such fallacy.
4. I gave you evidence that categorically refute your argument concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls only to be dismiss without any strong foundation.
5. The fact that you bring Mathew 23:8-10 again points that you didn’t even read my last response, because I did answer your question.
I am happy to give you the reason of the hope that is in my heart and share my faith with you and actually learn from you, but I also hope that you take my responses more seriously.
Best,
Caleb
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Below is the Link you asked for Caleb in one of your Comments but it seems you missed reading it.
Link- https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
Blessings – Anne.
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Thank you will check it out…I have been too busy..
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You may also find the Links below helpful Caleb since you depend so much on the Internet for Scriptural answers. I don’t because there is too much deception and Hearsay and not factual confirmation but I do check them out with the Scriptures to see if what they claim is confirmed in God’s inspired Words in the Bible and the ones below are.
Link- https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresies-of-the-catholic-church-mary-worship
Link- https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/90-314/exposing-the-idolatry-of-mary-worship-an-overview
Link- https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html
Link- https://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
Link- http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_paganism_Catholic_Mary_mediator
Blessings – Anne.
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Dear Anne,
My heart breaks after reading such misinterpretations and falsehood about what the Catholic Church teaches.
If any of those websites care about truth they should read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and see for themselves what the Catholic Church actually teaches, instead they spread falsehoods that hurts the Body of Christ.
As John Henry Newman, an Anglican priest who converted to the Catholic Church, at a great personal cost, said:
“To be deep in to history is to cease to be protestant”.
You see Anne, he was trying to disprove the “Roman Church” historical claims but found out that they were actually true and had to convert.
I hope next time that you wrestle with the evidence or at the very least read what I wrote. Because, It does take time for me to respond, otherwise its a one way fruitless conversation.
Best,
Caleb
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Sorry Caleb, I missed responding about Abraham being called a father, he was not a Spiritual Father but we were from his seed meaning we are Children of the Promise
Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither Male nor Female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed and Heirs according to the Promise.
Paul was also using father figuratively, his Wisdom came from God ( 1Corinthians 2) he was not meaning that he was their Spiritual Father which only God our Abba Father is so this is why your Catholic Priests should not be calling themselves Spiritual Fathers which they do and also claiming they can forgive Sins which they can’t, only Jesus is our Advocate and our only Mediator and we Pray to Him only to intercede for us, to Pray to anyone else is Spiritual Idolatry.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and Men, The Man Christ Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life no man cometh unto the Father but by me.
Blessings – Anne.
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This is the last time I will respond to you Caleb in reference to your Churches false Doctrines as you are not reading the Scriptures I have shared or the Links so what is the point of continuing, God’s Truth will set you free but you need to take it to Heart.
Proverbs 3:5-7 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own Understanding In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes fear the Lord and depart from evil.
I have always shared Caleb with the Confirmation of Scripture that Jesus is my Authority through the Empowering of The Holy Spirit with my having asked for His Wisdom which none of us were Born or His Empowering I have received both which I asked for and to say I haven’t would show I’m unstable and for you to say I haven’t Caleb means you are calling God a Liar. I don’t want people to Spiritually follow me but Jesus our only Spiritual Teacher, that is why I always add the Scripture now to confirm what I share.
Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the Principal thing therefore get Wisdom and with all thy getting get Understanding.
James 1:5-6 If any of you lack Wisdom let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him. But let him ask in Faith nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that Man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded Man is unstable in all his ways.
Luke 11:13…….. how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?
For more Scripture Confirmation about God’s Wisdom see Link – https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/the-gaining-of-wisdom/
1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of Man the things which God hath prepared for them that Love Him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a Man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no Man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the World but the Spirit which is of God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak not in the words which Man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost Teacheth; comparing spiritual things with Spiritual. But the natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things yet he himself is judged of no Man. For who hath known the Mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the Mind of Christ.
John 16:13 -15. Howbeit when He The Spirit of Truth is come He will guide you into all Truth for He shall not speak of Himself but whatsoever He shall hear that shall He speak and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me for He shall receive of mine and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine therefore said I that He shall take of mine and shall shew it unto you.
1John 2:26-28 These things have I written unto you concerning them that Seduce you. But the Anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you and ye need not that any Man teach you but as the same anointing Teacheth you of all things and is Truth and is no lie and even as it hath Taught you ye shall abide in Him.
Matthew 10:26-28 Fear them not therefore for there is nothing Covered that shall not be Revealed and hid that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness that speak ye in Light and what ye hear in the ear that preach ye upon the housetops (KJV) perhaps our Computers.
It would help you very much Caleb if you read again the Scriptures shared on this Post and the links instead of Trusting what you have been told in error by your Church than perhaps Colossians 2 :2 -3 will be proven for us. Jesus also tells us to Ask, Seek, and Knock not just to passively wait to be sapped, although yes we wait on Him to equip us for His good works but we are to first work out our Salvation not meaning work for it.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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God’s healing is for every aspect of our lives. Thank God for Ron’s physical healing from cancer. God’s heart is to do the same for your spiritual and emotional life! We trust God’s means and His timing. As a side note: marriage is work! Prayers for joy restored! Isaiah 43:18-19 – “Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the desert and streams in the wasteland.”
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Wow Debbie we do indeed have a Spiritual connection in Christ Jesus, I have Isaiah43:18-19 framed on my Desk and have had for years but this week I have read it more than once and it comforted me greatly. I find it very hard to share about Ron and our troubled Marriage but I knew it was time, more Prayer is needed. I Love Ron and always will and lately we have been closer but the road is still rocky.
Christian Love and Blessings – Annie.
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Annie, I am smiling! I think we both are drawn to that Scripture because it is filled with hope! We are not defined by our past as God fills our hearts with excitement for the future! Keep persevering in your marriage!
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Yes you are right Debbie our Eternal Hope is very much assured in Scripture when we believe and Love God and the Past mistakes are indeed whiteouted.
Blessings dear friend – Annie.
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I praise God that Ron is doing better. I pray that God will restore the joy and unity of your marriage and heal the wounded places in your hearts.
In Christian love,
Tricia
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Thank you Tricia, Prayer is powerful when it comes from the Heart, I value your Prayers.
Christian Love Always Anne.
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Praise God!
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Thank you Brandon, Ron’s recovery is indeed wonderful news, God is without doubt God of the impossible and regardless of what tools He uses He is our only Healer.
Blessings – Anne.
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Our prayers and thought with Ron . Blessings.
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Thank you Jalal we appreciate your Prayers.
Christian Love Anne.
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Can you ring me again please as I lost the piece of paper – probably in the shredder – Lynette
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Good to be in contact with you again Lynette, your often in my thoughts and always in my heart.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Praising God for Ron’s health – and always keeping you both in my prayers. God is good – and know He is preparing you both for something for His Glory. God bless both of you and restore your marriage.
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Thank you Patty for your Love and Support for Ron and myself and yes God’s Love is greater than the difficulties we are having in our Marriage but it is always our Choice to obey His guidelines or not. I very much value your Prayers for us.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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It is done! You are always in my thoughts and prayers and first and foremost you are both in God’s care.
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Thank you dear Patty and yes your are often in my thoughts too and always in my heart, I Thank God for you and our Unity in Christ Jesus.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Patty I have tried to Phone you a few times but can’t connect have you changed your Phone number? I would love to talk to you again.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Glad that there is relief.
Will be praying for you and your husband, that the Lord reveal the trouble spots and the solutions. May love shine through.
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Thank you for your Faithfulness to Pray for us, I value very much your Heart focused Prayer. I never feel I’m alone, God is always with me but I do miss the closeness Ron and I shared but sadly Family and Commitments overshadowed what was needed to keep us in Loving Unity.
I hold onto the reality that God is our Healer and Restorer and when we Love and Trust in Him, He works everything for good in our lives, even those things that bring heartache.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Praying.
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Thank you Sally your Prayers are very much appreciated.
Blessings – Anne.
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So wonderful about Ron…. and will pray for you both… and for God’s will to be done.. Diane
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Thank you Diane for your Faithfulness to Pray for us and yes it is wonderful that Ron has improved so much, yes we Thank God from whom all Mercies flow.
Christian Love Always – Anne.
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Eternal Love is an Action not just a word and it comes from God not the Carnal flesh of a Man or of a Woman, when we give in Love we receive.
Blessings – Grannie Annie.
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God is our Healer and Restorer and when we Love and Trust in Him, He works everything for good in our lives, even those things that bring heartache.
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